
Episode 352
In this Episode of the Secure Your Retirement Podcast, Radon and Murs discuss a comprehensive portfolio update, economic update, and market update designed to help retirees and pre-retirees stay grounded during uncertain times. With headlines driving fear and optimism in equal measure, they break down how a disciplined retirement portfolio strategy and long-term investment strategy can help investors navigate volatility while staying positioned for growth. From geopolitical uncertainty to inflation pressures, this episode reinforces why planning—not prediction—is essential to secure your retirement.
Listen in to learn about how today’s economic environment connects directly to your retirement income planning and overall retirement planning process. Radon and Murs revisit the Three Bucket Strategy, explaining how a well-structured core portfolio strategy, tactical investing strategy, and exposure to alternative investments can work together to manage risk. As they explore the stock market outlook 2026, inflation and retirement concerns, and market volatility planning, you’ll gain clarity on how to plan for retirement, follow a practical retirement checklist, and ultimately focus on retiring comfortably.
In this episode, find out:
- How the Three Bucket Strategy supports risk management investing and predictable retirement income
- Why market headlines don’t always align with long-term market update realities
- How tactical investing and alternative investments can reduce portfolio volatility
- What inflation and retirement trends mean for planning retirement in 2026
- Why sticking to a disciplined retirement investment strategy matters more than ever
Tweetable Quotes:
- “You can’t control headlines or politics, but you can control your retirement plan and how much risk you take.” — Radon Stancil
- “When different parts of your portfolio have different jobs, market volatility becomes much easier to live with.” — Murs Tariq
Resources:
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Here’s the full transcript:
Welcome, everyone, to secure your retirement podcast. And we’re excited.
Murs and I are always excited when we get to have the special guests we have on
today, which is Tom Siomades. So, before we get into anything here, Tom, I just want
to say thank you for hopping back on the podcast with us today. We appreciate it.
Hey, glad to be here. Happy New Year. I know it’s almost February, but, you know,
happy New Year’s just the same. Yeah, as we record this today, we just had our big
ice storm here in the Raleigh, Durham area. Actually, the whole, I guess,
nation’s gotten hit by this storm, almost, the East Coast at least, and in the
middle of the country with lots of snow and real cold weather. But Murs and I are
working from home, and you’re out there in Kansas, and looks like you’ve got some
snow on the ground, too, and everybody’s dealing with this cold weather. But what we
wanted to do, and what we like to do, Tom, whenever we have you on, is just
really kind of look at things from a big macroeconomic perspective.
And right now, we are…
year of up markets, right? Which again, if you look at what happened last year, you
would have never thought that it would have been an up year, right? I mean, you
know, the new administration came in, you had the tariff meltdown, and then you had
the wrap up again, your government shutdown, etc., but I
think last year was sort of an example of where people need to sort of focus and
remain discipline because there was ample opportunity to throw in the cards, right?
Because there’s a lot of panicky type stuff that could have gotten you off of the
mark, right? So, it goes to show you that, you know, the markets, you know, often,
you know, defy what logic would say. And this year is no different, right? I mean,
here we were supposed to start the year off. Supposed to be the big beautiful bill
was supposed to come into effect and the economy is growing, but I don’t know
anybody that had Maduro on their dance card, right, you know, at the beginning of
the year. So that kind of happened. And then you’ve got all this like civil address
going on and the whole Greenland thing just kind of, and that’s just January. All
right? It already feels like, I kind of like, and I was joking about it the other
day, I kind of tell them, telling people, I need to start writing year in review
articles for just the month of January. So, it just seems like all this stuff is
kind of ratcheted up. That doesn’t mean, you know, anything other than I look at a
couple of indicators, right? If you have a Santa Claus rally going into the
holidays, that’s well for the upcoming year because the momentum comes forward.
If you have a first strong week in January, that bodes well. And then the
trifectas, if you have a strong January, that bodes well from the market of the
year. That’s just sort of the way things play out. But, you know, it’s anybody’s
guess where we go from here. GDP’s been strong. I understand our fourth quarter GDP
is expected to be strong. Again, you’re going to have some money coming into the
system via enhanced tax refunds. So, it feels like it’s stacking up to be good,
but it’s kind of crazy that we’ve had everything that we’ve had so far this year.
Yeah, I think just when it starts to feel like it’s stacking up to be good,
there’s that inevitable messaging that comes across that can jar the markets a little
bit. So, you know, in January, we’ve had, well, go back to April of last year when
the beginning conversations of tariffs kind of came about in 2025. And then, you
know, that took several months to get settled out. And once we thought we were kind
of past that a little bit from the negotiation aspect of it, here in January, this
whole conversation around Greenland and Europe has come back into the forefront around
tariffs and stuff. So, let’s just talk about that for a little bit. Maybe for a
second there, maybe just kind of recap the Greenland scenario. And then also,
you know, how do you see this playing out? What do we need to be thinking about
there from the terror side? I get it. He said the same thing. There are legitimate
reasons for national security purposes. If you look at like people look at Greenland
and they think to themselves, you know, what is this place? But if you look at it
from the top of the globe, it’s pretty interesting, right? It pretty much is
literally like a dagger that goes in between us and Europe, right? And the fact of
the matter is it is strategically important. Now, how he’s gone about highlighting
its strategic importance and the rhetoric around it isn’t really constructive. But I
find it like really rich and ironic that Europe sent soldiers over to Greenland.
And isn’t that kind of tell you that it’s not probably defended if they have to
send people from over there to defend it, right? So, he’s kind of got a backward
point there. But, you know, at the end of the day, he got upset because the NATO
members weren’t supporting acquisition. And so, he threatened them with tariffs.
And then we had this whole, you know, crazy Monday last week where we sold off
nearly a thousand points. And then somehow, you know, behind the scenes, a new
framework was, I don’t think we’re going to get anything other than we already have.
We’ll probably get more in military installations there and maybe have a little more
autonomy with that. But I think it was a huge sort of, it was almost like a mini,
like a mini liberation day scenario like we had last year. Remember, it was like he
came out and he hit everybody with the tariffs and then the market just melted off
and then just as quickly he backed off and then the market came back, right? And
that was kind of like a mini version of that last week. Oh my God, we’re going to
hit Europe with tariffs. And that came on. And then all of a sudden, you know, we
had a framework. And two days later, we were right back to where we were. So
again, you blink, you missed it. But I don’t, you know,
I don’t know about you, but I’m not looking for property in Greenland. It’s not a
place, not after the cold we’ve got here this week. Thank you very much. Yeah.
Well, you know, something that we were talking about just briefly that we’re also
seeing right now is, and again, this is something is one of those things that could
happen here in the first part of the year and kind of fizzle out. But, you know,
what we’ve seen here is in particularly with natural gas having a big surge over
the last few days. And in fact, I was looking at it, and it didn’t even look like
it’s going to slow down even right now. What do you think is going on with that
as far as, I mean, I’ve got some theories, but I kind of hear your side of things
as to what are you seeing in that area right now as far as what’s happening there?
Well, as far as natural gas pricing? Yeah, yeah. Well, I think a lot of it’s got
to be this weather, right? I mean, you know, when you give a forecast that it’s
going to be, you know, negative degrees through across most of the country. I mean,
that usually spikes over the course of that. But, you know, my understanding was
that there was going to be more energy coming online, right, and things we’re going
to get cheaper, and that’s sort of the lies that, right? So, like, I’d be curious
to see what you’re thinking as far as what your theory is with this. No, I just,
I had, you know, looked at some things here recently that talked about the fact
that it looks like that the administration’s going to Do some fast tracking on some
permitting on some lands to allow for more exploration and a little bit more, I
guess, going after that part of the thing because of the energy that’s going to be
needed right now with all of the things going on with AI and different things that
are got to be created. And it was basically around this idea that other parts, like
you take China, has really done a lot to increase their energy production, whereas
the United States really has not done a lot to increase their energy production. And
if you look at what all the things that are happening within the AI world of all
the energy that’s going to be needed and all of the infrastructure there, we’re a
little bit behind on that when it comes to energy production as far as the increase
of that. Yeah, so I don’t disagree with any of that, but the stuff that they’re
supposed to do is supposed to lower prices, right? It’s supposed to make it more
affordable, right? The fact that, you know, the whole Venezuela thing, if their oil
comes online, for example, right, theoretically that, that was sanctioned oil,
so that could be, you know, additive to decreasing the price of oil, right? The
hubbub and Iran that we’ve got going on, if that regime somehow is replaced and
their oil then becomes marketable, right? Those are two places. Now, I understand
that the administration wants to create more energy, but if we’re not seeing it,
but I think, you know, natural gas prices and heating oil and things like that,
they just naturally spike in the winter anyway. And I think this past week, I just
think you may have some people that are, you know, try to take a little advantage
of the fact that we’re going to have some cold weather here for a little bit. So
the idea of affordability keeps coming up and, you know, getting prices back down
and you’re getting, you’re continuing to have this divide of people that just can’t
afford living normal lives these days. And then you’ve got the divide of the wealthy
that you’re even starting to see, you know, they’re not shopping as much as more
anymore. Let’s say not the ultra -wealthy, but the high net worth. So, affordability
is still creeping in. I know we were at a conference, and, you know,
that continues to be the theme for the year that was spoke a lot about. So, what
are your thoughts as far as the issues with, you know, we got some rate cuts at
the end of 2025.
There are still the battle and Powell and Trump going on.
He’s probably leaving this year, but there’s a lot of people on his side saying you
can’t do what you’re doing to him in sense of some of the legal action that’s been
taken against Powell. So how do you see all this playing out this year from two
perspectives? One, what’s going to happen to Powell, the other? Affordability for the
consumer and costs and CPI and everything like that. Okay, so I’ll talk the Powell
one.
Listen, we know they don’t like each other, okay? And simply because Powell has not
bent to Trump’s whims as far as lowering rates, okay?
We get that. But, you know, Powell’s not an angel either. I mean, he’s done some
things in the past that could have been perceived political, right? So needless to
say, you know, without getting overly into the weeds with this thing, the two don’t
like each other. To me, the whole criminal thing is just, you know, it’s, it’s a
complication that’s unnecessary. How can be replaced in May? Why do you want to make
the guy a martyr and then alienate people that would vote for whoever? Does anyone
really genuinely think that the next person that Trump appoints to the Fed is going
to not do what Trump tells them to do? Right? That’s, so with that as a backdrop,
I could definitely see markets probably coming or as far as the Fed goes. Rates
probably get lower. I’ll probably go as far as three times by this year.
CPI were stuck around just below three, not really going anywhere and not really
improving. It’s better than it was years ago, you know, a couple of years ago. But
here’s the way I look at like the pricing and affordability is think about like
what happened to our market three or four years ago and the economy is like taking
a bucket of water and dumping it out, okay? That happens quick and it’s there.
You’ve got to mess on the floor. Now picture trying to like to mop up that water with
a sponge and you’re constantly like just picking it all up and putting it to try
and you’re never going to get the same amount of water first of all back into the
bucket and it’s going to take a long time. That’s kind of what’s happened with. We
got inflation and it’s coming down, but all of those embedded costs, rents,
salaries, all of those things are embedded into, you know, it’s going to be hard
for you to have a restaurant or somebody and tell your employees that you’re paying
now paying $20 an hour that you got back to work that they’re going to have to
take less. So, we’re just going to have to deal with the fact that prices are not
going to return back to where they were in 2019 or 2020. That said, I think,
you know, the best way for us to get out of this mess is to actually grow the
economy while trying to contain costs, right? And, you know, I sort of cynically
always say, like, when has anybody ever not complained that prices are too high?
When has anyone ever complained that they don’t, that they make too much money,
right? So that’s a human thing, but I can see where wages haven’t kept up,
right, and things have become more expensive for people, right? But I also look like
anecdotally around, it’s like every restaurant around here in Kansas City is full all
the time. You go into the stores, people that are buying stuff. So, you know, at
one point in time do you look at it, and you think to yourself, how much of this
is just, you know, and you have to be careful because you can’t tell people, you
can’t pinch someone, and when they say, Al, you say it doesn’t hurt, right? And
that’s, I think we’ve got to this point where people have always complained about
prices and not having enough money, but in reality, they do have some level of,
I guess, validity, right? Because wages haven’t kept up. So, you can’t expect
everything to come back down to where it was because then you would be cheering for
a bad recession, people losing homes, businesses closing. That’s how prices would go
down. You just hope prices can stay where they are right now and people start
making more money because the economy is growing. And at 4 .4 GDP and Q3 and
they’re saying maybe five, if we can keep that going and people can make more
money, that may alleviate some of it, but it’s going to take time. So that’s kind
of, that’s kind of my theory on that, but again, there are probably somebody has a
different way they’d look at it. Yeah, I did hear, I was, I forget which podcasts
I was listening to, but they were talking about housing. And, you know, for the
longest time, you had way more people that owned houses that had the lower interest
rates, you know, the sub 4 % interest rates. And by the end of 2025,
that had flipped to where you’ve got more people owning higher interest rate
mortgages than lower interest rate mortgages. So those, you know, a lot of people
didn’t want to move because they didn’t want to go from a 3 % mortgage to a 6 %
mortgage, but eventually people had to buy houses. And so, you have more than have 6
% mortgages in the three today. So, I think that the good side of that is people
are more likely. There’s going to be more turnover in the housing markets. There’s
going to be more availability. And inventory was a big issue a couple years ago. I
think that’s going to change a little bit. Any thoughts on that and where mortgage
rates go from here for the person that’s still kind of waiting to buy because it’s
still so very expensive? Yeah, I think I think rates do come down, but it’s really
not, like, you have to look at it from a perspective of historically 6 % mortgage
rates are not crazy, right? I mean, I tell the story about my dad, right? He built
a house in 78, and his mortgage rate was 14%. So,
you know, if you’re coming from it near term for where we are right now, you know,
your near-term experiences, yeah, like rates were next to nothing after the financial
crisis, right? And then, you know, you could get a low mortgage. I don’t think that
we go back down to a 3 % mortgage rate, right? But at the same time,
I think maybe a more natural rate would be somewhere around four and a half to
five and a half percent. And I guess that’s fair for something, for a 30 year
investment for a lot of people. The bigger problem, honestly, is from the
affordability standpoint is just the pricing of homes, right? I mean, home prices
have gone up like crazy. And you mentioned it a second ago, like, let’s lean on
the supply side, right? Start making more homes. I think a lot of home builders and
developers stepped away after the financial crisis, right? And you had all of those
homes that had, you know, people mailing in their keys and walking away from them.
And I think that the demand hasn’t kept up. So that’s, that to me is another one.
And I don’t know if you guys know about this, but like something like a quarter
percent of the price of a new home is all regulations and permitting. So,
you know, can we do something there? Yeah, it’d be nice to lower prices of homes
and make them a little more affordable. If you’re a young couple, you know, you’re
late 20s, early 30s and don’t have a kid, you know, it’s kind of hard to, you
know, even if you don’t have a kid, you’re both working, try to, you know, spread
things together to buy $500 ,000 house. It’s a lot. So, you know, it’s twofold.
It’s not just the mortgage rates, right? It’s also the just sheer price of a house.
So, yeah. So, you know, one of the things that we like to always include in on
these discussions with you, Tom, is, you know, we understand we always put that
disclosure out there. We’re not going to hold you to it or anything. But if you
had to, if you sit here in the first part of the year and you kind of had to go
out in your own thoughts, how do you think 2026 is going to play out?
What are some of the things you think is you look at where things are today? If
you had to say, hey, here’s some things I think we’re going to probably see this
year. What would be some of those things you think we’re going to see? Yeah, I
think That’s, yeah, that’s always, that’s always tricky, right? I mean, because you’re
trying to forecast and, you know, it’s just forecasting is a fancy word for
guessing, right? I know there’s some certainties out there, right? We’re going to
have an election, so you’re going to have all the hubbub that on the midterms,
right? There’s the other certainty that you have is just the uncertainty of the
Trump administration, right? Like, what are they going to focus next, right? Is
Greenland going to come back? Is, you know, Iran going to fall apart? Do we bomb
Iran? Do we not? You know that kind of thing. You know, those are the geopolitical
stuff because you never know, right? Trump will just step in front of a microphone
and say something. And the next thing you know, that becomes the driver, right?
Earnings should be good. GDP should be growing. People are going to get money back,
more money back because of the, because of the quirks of the tax bill, so it’ll
appear that they’re getting more money back. I still think the market is on pace to
probably clock in, not as good as a year as it did the past couple of years,
but I’d still say double digits, so maybe like 7 ,700 on the S &P.
So again, the big thing is going to be is your patients will be tested, right? There’s
going to be, again, just like last year, opportunities for you, government shutdowns,
and we may have one at the end of this week for all we know, right? You just,
these things are just keep coming fast and furious, and at the end of the day, you
just have to make sure that your plan is such that it can withstand this stuff.
And that’s why I think it’s important that clients, you know, check in with you
regularly, right? I mean, you guys need to make sure that we can’t, we can’t keep
up with this nano technology where guys are like planting, you know,
their little trade centers, 30 feet in front of the other guy to make, you know,
to make quicker trades. We can’t do that. We don’t have that capacity, right? But
we do have the capacity of a long -term perspective and a plant. So, I think to me,
those are the more important aspects that you can, you can control what you can
control, but you can’t control what Trump’s going to say or what happens
internationally or, you know, or geopolitically or what happens in an election. But
you can’t control your plan. So that’s my advice again is double down on the
planning and make sure you’re comfortable with the level of the risk you have
because we will have volatility this year and you will be, you know, kind of
frantic at times wondering like, you know, testing yourself about whether you did the
right thing or not. Right. Yeah. I mean, if you think about the last five years or
since 2020 in the pandemic and then the election change, you know, inflation issues,
interest rate, tariffs, geopolitical, all these different things that all point towards
how’s it possible we’ve had a really good run over the last five years market wise.
We’ve only had one bad year, which is 22. outside of that, everything else has been
double digits. So, you know, there are going to be issues. There is going to be
volatility. There are going to be headlines that jar the markets. But we talk about
it all the time on this podcast, Tom, about the investment strategy, you know,
thinking that through sticking to the plan, having different assets working for you
in different ways. We call them buckets. So, I think you hit it right on because we
just never know how the year is going to play out and we never know what what’s
really going to be coming our way from a headline’s perspective and you know news
that can shock the market it so um well tom we really appreciate your time here
today we love having you on listeners love here in your perspective um because
you’re in it every single day so thanks a lot for carving out some time here with us today tom oh thanks very much and again happy new year everybody.